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m and v
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  13:25:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I didn't realise you had to pay just to have an IVA proposed!!! Is this right experts??

Vicki x
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JulianDonnelly
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  17:02:28  Show Profile  Visit JulianDonnelly's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It depends which firm you go to some will charge an upfront fee where as others will draw their fee from the contributions if the IVA proceeds.



Julian Donnelly
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melanie_giles
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  20:17:22  Show Profile  Visit melanie_giles's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think that Hammy makes his point rather well - and is merely suffering from events which affect my profession every single day. I just wish that the stand that he is preparing to take would alter this process in some miniscule way, but sadly the creditors will take not one bit of notice, and another good honest person is forced to the bankrutpcy court.

For an informal chat about any financial difficulties, or advice as to the options available, I can be contacted via my website - www.melaniegiles.com
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hammy0107
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  21:05:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Melanie
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m and v
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  21:23:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Join the club Hammy! My creditors declined a lump sum of £25k against £63k of debt.
Now I am BR and they will get nothing - not a penny!

Vicki x
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Helpful Advice
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  22:39:26  Show Profile  Visit Helpful Advice's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have seen some daft decisions made by creditors over the last ten months, however I truly believe the banks and financial institutions are cutting off their noses and think they will certainly have to review their decision making with regard to IVA's as the Bankruptcy numbers grow and IVA numbers fall more from their stupidity then anything else.
Being a Bankruptcy specialist my business is growing because of their decision making, however it saddens me that I see people who don’t want to go Bankrupt, they want to contribute towards their debts and see the IVA as the right vehicle to do so only to be rejected




Kind Regards,

Brett England


Bankruptcy Specialist

England,Jackman & Spacey

WebSite www.ejands.co.uk


View my personal story & blogs at:

http://brettengland.blogs.bankruptcyhelp.org.uk/
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m and v
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  22:46:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brett - do creditors get paid out by insurance when their debtors default? What I mean is - are they not bothered if they get paid back by us, is IVA an inconvenience and BR an easier option for them?

Vicki x
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Helpful Advice
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  22:52:37  Show Profile  Visit Helpful Advice's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Vicki,

It depend on the creditor, however they certainly prefer debt management to IVA's as a debt management plan will remain on the banks balance sheet showing as a profit whereas Bankruptcy and IVA's are formal insolvency therefore they have to right the debt off.

My feeling is the banks are rejecting IVA's so that more and more people fall back to Debt Management rather than Bankruptcy and if the figures for debt management were made public you would more than likely see it is the case that more will opt for a DMP rather than Bankruptcy.

If the DMP remains on the banks balance sheet then they can use this to borrow more money.


Kind Regards,

Brett England


Bankruptcy Specialist

England,Jackman & Spacey

WebSite www.ejands.co.uk


View my personal story & blogs at:

http://brettengland.blogs.bankruptcyhelp.org.uk/
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m and v
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Posted - 20 May 2008 :  22:59:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They just seem to have unrealistic expectations for people in debt and obviously struggling.
I could really get into this line of work. I can understand now why you and the other experts on this forum feel so strongly about helping others through BR.

Vicki x
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